#241 Could Your Help Be Holding Your Young Person Back? with Jason Robinovitz Transcript

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Lisa Marker-Robbins  00:21

We’ve all heard the story about the parent who goes along to their 20-something’s job interview and we think, Oh, my word. What in the world are you doing? But here’s the uncomfortable part. Parents usually don’t just wake up one morning and decide to start managing their 24-year-old’s adult life. It’s a slippery slope. It starts much earlier: helping with homework, tracking deadlines, just a little bit with applications, not the important stuff, you know. And then maybe continuing after high school graduation. Most of it, it comes from a really good place. We love our kids and we want them to succeed. But whether your child is 16, 19, or 24, there’s an important question to ask yourself: Is the help that you’re giving them building their ability to handle life on their own, or are you accidentally making them more dependent on you? And honestly, the stakes get higher as they get older. My friend and today’s guest, Jason Rabinowitz, first got me thinking about this through something he wrote on his Substack. You got to follow along. Jason grew up with dyslexia and ADHD and needed plenty of support when he was younger, but by college, he figured out how he learned best and no longer needed tutors. And I love his perspective. The goal of support, any support, shouldn’t be make someone dependent on it forever. It should be to help them become more capable on their own. And by the way, that’s exactly his inspirational story. He went on to earn his J.D., have a super successful career as a malpractice attorney, and today he’s changing young people’s lives, leading his family’s multifaceted educational organization in Southeast Florida. Jason and I get into the question I think every family needs to wrestle with: When does helping stop helping, maybe even hurt? And this isn’t just a high school conversation. If you have a college student or a 20-something who still relies on you more than you’d like, just stay with us. Jason has a perspective on support and accommodations that may challenge you a little bit, but I promise it’s in a good way, because college admission isn’t the finish line, neither is their graduation. Ultimately, we’re raising our kids to become independent adults. I’m Lisa Marker Robbins and I want to welcome you to College and Career Clarity, a Flourish Coaching production. Let’s dive right in to another great conversation. Jason, welcome to the show!

 

Jason Robinovitz  03:08

Thank you for having me. It’s been a long time coming.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  03:11

Oh, I know. I’m like you We were like, Okay, we got to do this. We got to get We got to get our people on. And I was particularly excited to have you on because you and I are very aligned. When I When I read your recent Substack article on Sucking It Up Buttercup, what I Which I I want to include in this conversation, I’m like, ah, we got to have this because it’s part of a greater conversation. And you’re a great person to talk about this because as a young person, and you reference this in your in your Substack, you’ve you have dyslexia, you have ADHD, and you’ve been a very successful attorney. You are a micro-school founder down in South Florida. You guys are growing rapidly and making great inroads there. And so I’m like you we use these excuses sometimes of like, Ah, my kid has, you know, some exceptional pieces about them that could get in their way of success. And yours have not gotten in the way of yours at all. Tell us a little bit just about your own path, and then we’ll kind of talk about education, to really talk about how are we preparing kids for the real world?

 

Jason Robinovitz  04:29

So I I I guess I was very fortunate that I had two very loving parents who were also very into education, especially my mother, which is, you know, I I run the company my mother founded. So, you know, I struggled pretty pretty significantly in elementary school with reading and writing. Math always came very easily to me, but reading and writing were just just horrid. I hated them. I was not good at them, and my mother started getting me tested and discovered I was dyslexic and ADHD and got me into with an Orton-Gillingham tutor for a number of years and, you know, worked my way through it. You know, but the one thing my mother always did was she would Once we found out I was dyslexic, even before then she was like, I know you’re not stupid. Like I know you’re not. You know, no but no but no parents talk like this anymore, obviously. But my parents said, You’re not stupid. We know like you’re You’re There’s something There’s something going on, which is, you know, more than what we know. And when we discovered I was ADHD and dyslexic, said, You know, it doesn’t mean You know, it’s just learning disability doesn’t mean anything. It’s like It just means you learn differently than other people do, and you process information differently. So like it So, you know, she would always say like, Einstein was dyslexic, so, you know, don’t worry, you’ll be fine. And that’s kind of always was in the back of my head. Like there was always, you know, there there are lots of very successful people with dyslexia, and you know, learned later in life about dysgraphia and, you know, every other, you know, learning disability under the sun. And, you you know, it just means that you have to approach things a little bit differently. And you have to you have to look at things differently than others do, and understand that some things are going to take a bit more time, which I did. And, you know, I some also had to have a couple tutors in high school, mostly for subjects that I was not interested in, and needed somebody to kind of force me to do the work. Much like I have a personal trainer today, because I won’t go to the gym unless I’m paying somebody to make me go.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  06:43

Exactly. But

 

Jason Robinovitz  06:44

the truth is, when I work out with my trainer, I work out twice as hard as I will ever work out on my own, and and I I put in a lot more effort and and the time. So, I’m getting my money’s worth, which is a lot of what we do as kind of tutors, I guess. Yeah. But, once I got to college, I never needed a tutor again. I I made it through college, law school, Well, you probably

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  07:08

adapted strategies. That’s right. Adapted and you adopted strategies That’s right. for how you learn.

 

Jason Robinovitz  07:15

That’s right. I I figured out what worked for me, and just applied those things. It didn’t didn’t hurt that I I I have the ability to to kind of half listen and absorb the information, which is a blessing and a curse, because it also, you know, if I if I can go back and hit my younger self in the head and say pay more attention in school, Right. I would have. But, you know, you you you learn these lessons sometimes later in life.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  07:44

Well, I You know what I love about this is, and I and kudos to your mom Judy, who’s the founder of Score at the Top originally, and you you after medical malpractice attorney, you came into the family business, and you’ve been working in education since then. I So, I want people to hear that part of your story as well. And so, what I love about this as a career coach for these 15 to 25-year-olds myself, I always say like let’s begin with self-awareness. Like let’s build the self-awareness. And so, what I hear in your story is you became very self-aware of your superpowers, of those things that could be our Achilles heel if we aren’t aware of them, and then you you along with your parents built on that to make the right choices for you, and then the sky was really the limit. And so, what I what I also want to go back to then is this idea of you are an ardent believer in kind of a different education model for schools. But I think it goes I mean, I’m hearing like it kind of goes back to maybe what we’re talking about here. Talk to me about you guys started a micro-school. People might not even know what a micro-school is, so we better define it first. What is a micro-school? Well,

 

Jason Robinovitz  09:02

I mean, I guess it can it can come under many definitions, the easiest one of which is that it’s just a super small school. You know, my my my schools, you know, top out between 80 and 100 kids in the entire school. It’s predominantly middle and high school, but we do have some elementary there as well. And with a small school comes small classes. So, you know, in my school, you have the choice of you can be strictly a one-on-one student, which we have some of them, but most of our students are are what we would call like a hybrid, who are doing some one-on-one classes in the classes where they are really struggling, and they’ll be doing the rest of them in small group. And our small group classes are like six to eight students, where mostly six students, but, you know, for APs, they’ll get they can get a little bit larger. Or for an art class, we we we can increase the size, but core curriculum is generally about six students or fewer.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  10:01

So what I’m really hearing is it’s again goes back to rooted in to who the individual is and what they need, right?

 

Jason Robinovitz  10:07

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s I mean our our ethos that drives everything we do is all about individualization and customization. It it it is evident throughout my organization. You know, all of my, we we have six schools now, and each one of them runs on the same principles, the same policies and procedures, but they’re all run vastly different. And they all have very different feels, attract a different student body, because it’s really much more reflective of the head of school who runs the place.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  10:45

I love that. So, and I would say like from us talking and me knowing you, part of what this is is you really want to prepare kids for the real world.

 

Jason Robinovitz  10:54

Yeah.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  10:56

And so, what are you seeing is different in how you approach education? I mean, if you thought that the typical public high school in your backyard were going to meet everybody’s needs, and it does meet a lot of people’s needs, you decided to build something different because of this real world alignment of like what’s required. So, what have you guys identified is going to prepare kids for that real world that you guys are tackling maybe a little differently?

 

Jason Robinovitz  11:22

I mean, I think you hit it on the head earlier. It’s about self-awareness. You know, kids today believe the world should operate should operate around them versus they need to operate around the world. And the sooner that they they realize that the world does not operate around you, and unfortunately, a lot of parents also feel the same way, that that everything should bend to what I want, what my kid needs, and, you know, I mean, there’s certain things that you can obviously Look, you could send your kid to my school, you could pay to have things being bent around them. But we’re also going to do our job and making sure your kids know where their strengths and weaknesses lie and what the real world is going to be like. You know, once you get into college, or especially once you get out of college and get a job, you know, jobs are strict, and as much as you want to get accommodations for every little thing, they’re not always reasonable. And and, you know, nobody wants to think about this or say this out loud, but the simple fact is, the more accommodations that you’re going to ask for at a job means the less upward mobility you’re going to have as a person. You know, with exceptions. Let’s

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  12:39

talk about that. I I want to I want to dig into that because here’s, you know, we’re serving, I always say 15- to 25-year-olds with this career piece. But what is has started happening is we have 30-, 32-year-olds that we’re also serving, and so that would be like the Gen Z, and now we’re getting into Gen Alphas coming into our world, right? So I’m like, How do I change my language around that? I don’t even know what Gen Alpha, I guess, will be our new term to bridge the gap. But I’m seeing this more and more where, and I think we’ve got to do a better job as educators and as parents about talking about what work should feel like and what our expectations are. Because it’s it’s interesting. I like this this accommodations topic because you do have a school that’s accommodating to people, but at the same time, you’re doing something different that says, We may be accommodating you with this unique education, and you’re going to leave this accommodated environment prepared for a real world that’s not going to be super accommodating.

 

Jason Robinovitz  13:46

Yeah, I mean, the the problem is that the point of accommodations, in my opinion, is to help you get through something, but ultimately you need to get over your accommodations. Like you shouldn’t need to have them for the rest of your life for every little thing. I mean, certainly, I mean every every job there is flexibility. You know, there you know you you can deadlines are usually way far out. Like you know work is typically untimed. There’s rarely a thing where you’s like, I need this in one hour, you know, and you’re under that type of time pressure where you can’t be like, Oh, I need I need time and a half on that, you know, and so kids need to believe and start thinking in the terms of like the real world has accommodations built into it. Like it’s a 40-hour work week is standard, but again if you want to get ahead in life, you’re not working 40 hours. You’re working 60 hours, you’re working 80 hours, you’re working 100 hours. I mean, I have friends you know one of my friends from law school was the youngest named partner at his you know the youngest partner at his firm, which is like one of the most prestigious firms in the country, and you know, when he was when he started there, I mean he was working 100-hour weeks, you know, every week. You know, and we would talk all the time, and he’s like, It’s brutal, but that’s what it takes, you know, if you if you want that type of success. I was

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  15:15

going to say that. It’s because part of what we do when we build self-awareness inside our Launch Career Clarity course is it’s not just about your wiring and your aptitudes, and if you I mean, we all have superpowers and we all have limitations, whether you are like literally have a learning disability or you’re just an average or super smart person, we all have limitations on us, and I want to normalize that for sure. But this idea of you’re not going to have to work that hard if you want it, it’s values-based, right? So, part of your self-awareness is not just who you are in our world and how we’re talking to people, but but what are your values? So, clearly your friend or my daughter went through a grueling management training program where she had to for the first, I don’t know, it was like 18 months or so, there were times that she had to be at work at 4:00 a.m., and this is for a college graduate, you know, Fortune 500 company on a management track, but she was working 70 hours a week many weeks. And I even was like, from an HR perspective, you’re not exempt. How is that okay? Well, when you’re in a training program, that is legal to do. But from a values alignment, because of where she wants to go, she’s like, Yep. Okay, I’m going to do that.

 

Jason Robinovitz  16:38

Yeah.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  16:38

But not everybody wants that, either. No.

 

Jason Robinovitz  16:40

And that’s fine. That’s fine. You know, and That’s

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  16:43

part of the self-awareness we have to build. Yeah.

 

Jason Robinovitz  16:44

But y- yeah, you, you know, if if you want to be a 40-hour-a-week worker, you also have to understand, though, that there will be certain things that you just can’t You’re not going to drive a Ferrari. You know, chances are. You know, chances are, you’re going to struggle to afford to buying a house.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  17:02

Especially these days, right? Holy cow!

 

Jason Robinovitz  17:05

Yeah. But, I mean, you know, that that falls into My my my last piece that I wrote was The Pink Drink Leak, was was all about this topic in particular, is, you know, people’s expectations are so far off from reality, it’s not even funny. You know, people believe like, Oh, my first house should be like, you know, a three-bedroom, two-bathroom house, and I should be able to buy it for $100,000. I was like, but, Oh, well, my my grandparents or my parents bought a house like that for, you know, very little money, so why shouldn’t I? And it’s like, but if you go look back at what they bought, they bought like an 800-square-foot, two-bedroom, one-bathroom house without a garage. You know, that’s th- that’s what they were buying, which, unfortunately, they don’t even build those houses anymore.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  17:53

Right.

 

Jason Robinovitz  17:54

So that that’s a whole other problem that was, you know, kind of taken out by by regu- regulations. But if you were to tell a kid today that, You know what? Maybe you’ve got to buy a house in not the best area in the world and spend the next couple of years fixing it up, and then, you know, live there for a couple years after that, and then flip it, and make, you know, some decent money on it, and parlay that into the next house, and do the same thing. And so maybe today you can’t afford the house of your dreams, but in 20 years, if you keep doing this path, like, you’ll be able to afford an awesome house. But you’re going to have to do it really smartly. And And and nobody wants that. It’s like, well, why should I do that when I can go rent an apartment that’s got granite countertops and stainless steel appliances, and it’s got two bedrooms and two bathrooms, and there’s a pool, and there’s a gym, and You’re not building any

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  18:44

equity.

 

Jason Robinovitz  18:45

Yeah, right. But but it’s nice, and I don’t have to I don’t have to suffer at

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  18:51

all. It’s comfortable. Well, I think it is comfortable, right? Yes. It It’s an unwillingness to be uncomfortable.

 

Jason Robinovitz  18:57

And that’s that goes back to the crux of, you know, preparing kids for the world is you have to be uncomfortable. You have to be willing to to not like what you’re doing. You know, I mean, when my kids were young, and they would say, I’m bored, I’d say, It’s good to be bored.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  19:13

Yeah.

 

Jason Robinovitz  19:13

You know, you got to learn how to be bored. You have to be learn how to be content with just being yourself and finding something to do sometimes in your mind. And the same goes later in life. You know, you you have to be content sometimes with getting not what you want. You know, if you if if flying to Europe and you can only afford to fly coach, well, you’re going to Europe. So, You’re going

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  19:40

to Europe. Your comfort Your comfort might not be the best getting there, but you’re still there and you get to experience Europe.

 

Jason Robinovitz  19:46

Yeah. I love

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  19:47

that you talk about this idea of like you’ve got to outgrow your accommodations. I That’s an interesting, cause I don’t feel, really, other than hearing other people’s experiences, I don’t really feel qualified to say that sometimes, because I myself, I didn’t need to I probably could have benefited from, but I didn’t need tutors to get through the uncomfortable academics in high school, right? I didn’t I didn’t have accommodations. I don’t have a learning disability. So to hear from someone about, Hey, I have the learning disability, and I got some accommodations, and I set out on a path to outgrow them so that I didn’t have those limitations of of where I wanted to catapult to, my trajectory long-term in my actual work, I think is so valuable.

 

Jason Robinovitz  20:42

Yeah. You know, I’ve I’ve always been a big believer in in, you know, the idea that as a tutoring Part of our business is tutoring, and I would always tell families that if we do our job, you won’t need us.

 

Speaker 1  20:56

Yeah.

 

Jason Robinovitz  20:57

You know, the the point of a tutor is to not need us anymore. There should be an end, and I believe that same thing applies with therapy as well. You know, there has to be an end to therapy. If you’re with a therapist for 20 years, a therapist isn’t doing their job.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  21:12

I I agree.

 

Jason Robinovitz  21:13

Yeah. And and and the same if you if you have a learning disability and you have accommodations, like you have to learn to get past them, Otherwise, it’s going to always hold you back, or you’re going to always use that as a crutch to to complain that you can’t get what you want because you were dealt some disadvantage. And look, everyone gets disadvantages in life. I mean, I’m short, you know. Me too. I’m sure I hate I hate the way my voice sounds on video on on on a podcast, but, you know, I still do it, and it is what it is. Like, you know It’s

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  21:47

important to get your message out. Yeah.

 

Jason Robinovitz  21:48

Yeah, I mean, you know, we all can’t get everything we want.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  21:52

That’s right. So, talk to me about so grounded in your theory of what you’re trying to inspire schools, learners, and parents with is accommodation shouldn’t be forever. We we have to learn to accept a level of discomfort in our growth if we want to go somewhere where really great. When people start to shift and embrace that, what are you seeing? I know what I’m I’m seeing over here on my end, and maybe we can both speak to this, but what are you seeing the the benefits on the other side? That, if we’re talking about real world employment, and that’s what you’re trying to set kids up from at your schools, and that’s what we’re trying to do at Launch Career Clarity, then what is the what do we identify on the other side of doing the hard stuff? What are you seeing?

 

Jason Robinovitz  22:45

People are finding success.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  22:48

Yeah.

 

Jason Robinovitz  22:48

You know, if it’s if they’re if they’re in a job and they start to embrace embrace the suck, embrace the friction, you know, all of a sudden, it’s like, Oh, like I just got a promotion, or I just got a raise. I, you know, you you you you accomplish and you build your own self-confidence. You you start thinking like, Oh, I can do these things.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  23:10

Right.

 

Jason Robinovitz  23:11

And, you know, I I think that’s a lot of a lot of kids start getting into the idea that they can’t do something because they’ve been told that, or maybe they haven’t been told it, but it’s been implied, or they just they they they just got to that realization on their self because they had no one really championing them, saying that like, You can do this. Like, There’s no reason you can’t, and maybe it’s going to take you a little bit longer, you know, maybe you’re going to struggle a little bit more than your friends, but it doesn’t mean that you’re any less worthy or or any less than they are.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  23:45

Or won’t be more as or more successful. You know, I one of the things that I see with the families who come into us a little bit later in the game, like, Oh, my kid’s graduating from college, and really got got a degree or is earning a degree in a particular major, but they never thought about what they might do with it. Or someone’s struggling to land a job, or they’ve landed in a job they don’t like, but it’s time to do the work to go like, What would I like? What what aligns with me, right? is early on, and I this is where I think we really align with what you’re doing at your school, too, is I always say people are looking at that nearest deadline, which feels like graduation, right? We’re looking at the graduation as the finish line, or maybe it’s the college acceptance into your you know, your desired school, whatever that might be, for whatever reason. But I think as parents, what I know I hear from parents, and end up hearing from 20 20-somethings, is we are aiming for that wrong finish line. The the real finish line was really independence. And to be independent and outside of our parents homes, which all of our kids are launched, I have to say. Life is good when they’re launched. We love them. We spend time with them all the time, but they’re not living in my house. They have to be independent. They have to have some level of resilience. They’ve got to have the work ethic to go out and get the paycheck if we’re going to get them out on their own two feet, which is ultimately what they want and what you want. And I think the friction begins to come when that’s not happening when you all at the time that you all thought it would happen, and then everybody’s stuck, and and then there’s tension among the among the family members, really.

 

Jason Robinovitz  25:33

Yeah. My my my wife and I have always parented from the idea that our kids should need us a little less every single day. And it’s it’s worked. I mean, my my two kids, 14 and 16, and they are incredibly independent. I mean, my my son, I I’m like not totally seriously, if I rented him an apartment in New York City, like he could live in New York right now and be fine. Like, he would, you know, he he can get by as long as he had a job like to pay his, you know, pay his stuff. But he doesn’t need us. He can make his meals. He can navigate the city, no problem. Like, you know, he he’s totally self-sufficient. You know, my my daughter flew to Greece yesterday with her friends. No, there was She was on the team tour, but they didn’t have like a chaperone flight. it was her and one of her besties, and her their bestie’s father brought them to the airport and got them checked in and watched them go through security and they made it. An adult greeted

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  26:34

them on the other side.

 

Jason Robinovitz  26:35

And they had to get through customs in Greece on their own. I mean, they didn’t have an adult to take them through it. They had to do the whole thing on their own. I

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  26:43

know there’s parents that are cringing right now as you’re saying that, but I think that’s fantastic.

 

Jason Robinovitz  26:47

I was scared. I mean, you know, I

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  26:50

think that’s it. You sent her, but you were still nervous, right? We have to do things scared.

 

Jason Robinovitz  26:58

Right. The friction applies to the parents just as much as it does to the kids. Like, you know, you can’t, you know, and that that is a huge problem today that too many parents are, they do things, they say they’re doing it for their children, but they’re doing it for themselves because they don’t want to feel the discomfort of their child failing, you know, of their child not doing well on homework, you know. I remember

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  27:26

What’s this going to say about me,

 

Jason Robinovitz  27:29

and what are my friends going to think? Well, that too, but like even just even I think it’s even more for a lot of parents, it’s more of like I don’t want to see my child upset, you know. I want them to feel like they’re successful, so I’m going to help them. And it’s like I remember once we had an SAT client that was, you know, couldn’t understand why their daughter was getting like 33s to 35s on the homework, but was getting, you know, 19s and 20s during simulations. And then it came out that mom was sitting with her daughter, helping her do her homework, And mommy, you don’t get to go sit next to her at the ACT. and why not? She needed help. I’m like, do you not understand? She’s like It honestly didn’t even connect that she was the problem. But I see similar things like that all the time, you know, in our tutoring practice, parents that provide way too much help, in our college planning practice where parents are writing their kids application essays and filling out the application instead of making their child do it all. You know, they just they’re like they’re so afraid their child’s going to be like destroyed if X, Y, Z doesn’t happen that they do everything they can to make sure that doesn’t happen, and they take away the friction from their kid, and then they wonder why their kid doesn’t can’t get a job out of college because Well, you’re

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  28:55

helping you’re helping until it hurts, right?

 

Jason Robinovitz  28:58

Yeah.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  28:58

And it makes me think of it was either episode one or two, I think it was episode two of the podcast. And if you go back and listen to it, do not judge the host. It was her first or second episode here. I’m sure I was terrible. But, I had And I always mess up her name. Julie Lythcott-Haims on the podcast. And she was a She went to Stanford. She Harvard Law. She went back to Stanford as dean of freshmen. She’s kind of anti-elite colleges now. And she wrote a fantastic book, How to Raise an Adult. And her reminder is, and I think it totally resonates with what you’re saying, and it’s it’s one of my favorite books, is we’re not raising kids, we’re raising them to be an adult.

 

Jason Robinovitz  29:52

Yeah.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  29:52

And they’re going to have to be able to handle the discomfort and all of the other things if we really want happy, thriving kids. And I think you’ve hit the nail on the head and you’ve given us all really great things to think about. I got to say before we hit record, Jason and I were just catching up because we haven’t talked for a while. And I said, Oh, what’s going on with your family? And he said, My son’s getting ready to drive. I’m so excited. And going back to what you were saying about like sending a daughter to Greece, and us as parents, we we’re not we’re nervous when they go do it, right? We’re nervous watching them do it, but I said, Oh, Jason, I’m so thrilled to hear you say that you’re excited for him to drive because, by the way, he’ll run all your errands and run your daughter around. So there’s relief in that for us as parents. But I find so many parents are just afraid of their kid even driving. Kids can read the room, and we’re pulling them back when they read that from us. To be fair,

 

Jason Robinovitz  30:49

Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, it’s you know, there there it’s again, it’s they’re afraid of what what if X Y Z happens, and they don’t know what to do, and then they get into an accident? You know, life’s life’s not fair. Life’s not perfect. You know, got to do the best you can and get get through it, and you know, the more willing you are to be comfortable with discomfort, the more success you’re going to find in every facet of life.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  31:18

I love it. Well, thank you. Clearly, everybody needs to follow your Substack, Jason. I mean, I really I read it every time. I’m like, Ah, this is like such great thought leadership for educators, for parents. And if someone is in Southeast Florida, they should go to Is everything just at Score at the Top?

 

Jason Robinovitz  31:38

I mean, we have got Score at the Top is our tutoring and test prep brand, Score Academy is my school, and JRA Educational Consulting is our consulting brand.

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  31:48

Okay, we’ll put all the places in the show notes. Appreciate it. So, it’s great catching up, Jason. I love the the thought leadership for really for parents who want to raise independent, thriving young adults.

 

Jason Robinovitz  32:01

Well, thank you, Lisa. It’s a pleasure. Jason said

 

Lisa Marker-Robbins  32:08

something in this conversation that I hope sticks with you. Our kids should need us a little less every day. I think that’s such a helpful way to evaluate the support we’re giving. The question isn’t, Should I help? Of course you should. I still do, and they’re adults. The better question is, is my help building their capability, or am I carrying something they’re ready to start carrying themselves? And you know what I’ve seen over the years? When young people work on their career development, career clarity, yes, it’s the goal, but greater confidence and independence are natural outcomes of doing the work. So, if your young person is still looking to you for answers about maybe what they should major in, what career might fit, or what they’re going to do after graduation, don’t simply keep supplying answers. Help them learn to figure it out themselves. A great next step is my free Career Identification Compass video. I’ll show you the process we use to help young people move from overwhelmed and unsure to having a clearer direction that they can begin exploring for themselves. You’ll find the Career Identification Compass at laurishcoachingco.com/video, and I’ve also linked to it in today’s show notes. And remember, my friends, everything is figureoutable.