#147 Law Careers Beyond the Courtroom with Lauren McClain Transcript
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Lisa Marker Robbins 00:39
Today, we’re taking a closer look at the legal profession, but not the high drama courtroom scenes you might see on TV shows like suits. Instead, we’ll explore the softer side of being an attorney and the diverse opportunities that don’t involve litigation. I’m excited to welcome my friend Lauren McLean, a seasoned family law attorney with nearly 20 years of experience, Lauren has worn many hats, from working in divorce law to focusing on adoption, surrogacy and serving as a guardian ad litem. She now runs her solo practice, bringing a wealth of knowledge about the varied paths one can take with the legal field. We’ll delve into what a typical day looks like for an attorney who isn’t in the courtroom the essential skills and qualities needed for success and the rewarding aspects of helping families navigate important life events. Lauren will also share her personal journey into law and offer valuable advice for students considering this career path, whether your teen is contemplating a future in law, or you’re simply curious about the profession, this episode will broaden your perspective on what a career in law can look like. I’m Lisa Marco Robbins, and I want to welcome you to College and Career Clarity a flourish coaching production. Let’s dive right in to a great conversation. You
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Lauren McLean,
Lisa Marker Robbins 02:06
welcome. I’m so excited to have a friend on the podcast.
Lauren McClain 02:12
Thanks, Lisa. I’m really happy to be here.
Lisa Marker Robbins 02:14
I mean, most of my guests end up becoming friends, and it expands my world. But I mean, we go back like, what? 1520, years,
Lauren McClain 02:23
right? I think maybe before I even had kids, it’s probably about 20 years. Yeah,
Lisa Marker Robbins 02:28
it’s wild. And so, you know, we love to do these career close up episodes, because I want teens and young adults to learn about careers so that they’re making informed choices and figuring out how they are hardwired, how that relates to the world of work. And what I want people to hear is today, the biggest takeaway is to be a lawyer is not about like law and order that we see on TV. It doesn’t have to be full of conflict. And you’re gonna show us a different side of practicing law, so that, if we’ve got a listener and a parent’s going like, Oh, my kid has a big heart, my kid’s very caring, maybe this path might be for them, you’re gonna kind of expand our understanding of law. Is my goal.
Lauren McClain 03:18
Sounds great. I’m happy to help in any way I can. Okay,
Lisa Marker Robbins 03:22
so how long have you been an attorney? Almost 20 years wild. Okay, when did you know you wanted to be an attorney?
Lauren McClain 03:31
I started getting an inkling back in high school. I was interested in the in language arts, the reading and the writing aspects. I had an uncle who was an attorney that later became a judge. So I had some exposure to legal professions, and started pursuing that and under in my undergrad, I majored in in political science at Purdue University with an expectation that I was going to law school, and I just never deviated from that path. I just decided, probably at 17, I wanted to be a lawyer, and just kept on the narrow and made it happen.
Lisa Marker Robbins 04:05
You know, it’s so because people push back at me, you know, I’ve got my college major and career coaching course, and this is my passion, is to help people understand their wiring and how that relates to the world of work. And people say, like, 17 year olds can’t know, or 16 year olds can’t know. And I’m like, Well, I’m 4000 students into supporting this. And my experience is that if they do the work, and it sounds like you talk to attorneys, you knew some of the things like reading and writing would be beneficial, I know that they can’t get clear. So I like, I kind of, I like hearing that endorsement that even back in the day, 20 or more than 20 years ago, that you also know,
Lauren McClain 04:50
well, you know what’s funny is, I took one of those silly little quizzes that you take when you’re a sophomore in high school about what career would be the right career for you, and it recommended I’d be a. Judge, and it really stuck with me. And I thought, I could be a judge. Now, I’m not a judge, nor do I think I ever will be a judge, because I don’t want to be. But I thought, oh, a legal profession, I like that idea.
Lisa Marker Robbins 05:14
I wish we could go back in time and know which one it was that you took, because in the course, we use the Berkman assessment, and basically it takes it, it takes the assessment. It measures 66 data points on an individual, and then it says, okay, teenager, you look your like personality DNA looks a lot like the adults who are already over here working these jobs, and they self profess, they love their job. And by the way, it also tells them you look nothing like your the people who are over here doing these other jobs, who love those jobs, that’s fascinating well, because it gives you, instead of saying the world’s your oyster, you can be anything. Because I don’t believe we can be anything, I, for sure as heck, cannot be anything. It funnels it down to a more manageable list. It doesn’t tell you the one thing that you should be but it gives you a more manageable list.
Lauren McClain 06:04
Very interesting.
Lisa Marker Robbins 06:06
So okay, so you you just said the thing about reading and writing that you loved it in high school. Did that play out to be true, like as you got into law school and and we’ll talk in a second about the type of law that you started practicing and how that’s evolved. But do you look at law and say it’s necessary, it’s important, you should enjoy reading and writing. It’s they are skills that you should have
Lauren McClain 06:32
absolutely yes, I think that is the primary area of academics that a lawyer would would need. There’s a lot of reading, there’s a lot of critical thinking, a lot of writing, involved in being a lawyer, you know? And it doesn’t mean that you can’t be a strong mathematician or scientist. There’s definitely pathways from lawyers who are wired that way to also enjoy science and math. I am not wired that way. So for me, the reading and writing was really what I leaned on to both get through law school, but also I use it every day in my career.
Lisa Marker Robbins 07:11
Okay, so you still in in all of your years practicing that that’s been a constant, lots of reading and writing, absolutely yes, when you talk about these other like somebody who’s more stem wired, and I, you know, I know only enough to be dangerous when it’s talking about law. But can you think of a an area of law that would maybe be more stem focused, I don’t know, maybe like patent attorney. That was
Lauren McClain 07:39
what I was going to say, patent attorney, tax attorney, yep, to be a patent attorney, I believe you have to be an engineer, or at least have an engineering background, to pass the Patent Bar. Sure, going in house at any sort of like stem company where you’re working directly with STEM type experiences. I think, you know, there are plenty of lawyers out there who, I think have that gifting, but if you don’t have the interest in being able to read and write laws, okay,
Lisa Marker Robbins 08:12
that’s, that’s what I was going to ask. Because I’m like, okay, so if we have that STEM focus person, and you’ve got somebody who maybe did undergrad in engineering and wanted to go on to be a patent attorney, and would they still need that really strong reading and writing interest in aptitude? And the answer is yes, yes. So yeah, there, you know, I get into conversations with some of the teens and young adults that are in our launch Career Clarity course, where they’ll like, there’s things that are intriguing to them about law. And then they say, you know, if I rank my subjects that I take in school, English is dead last. I hate reading and writing. And I’m like, no, no. Like, that’s it’s not possible. So now we’ve got an attorney saying, yes, Lisa, you’re right. It is not possible.
Lauren McClain 09:04
On the record, it is not possible, at least, in my opinion, our maybe career choice, because you spend a lot of your day your daily tasks are a lot of reading and writing and law school is basically three years of reading and writing and critical analysis and critical thought of that what you have read and transposing that into writing. So I’m sure there’s probably some pockets of legal careers where you’re doing less of that, but I think every attorney does a lot of of reading and writing. Yeah, well,
Lisa Marker Robbins 09:39
it’s, you know, TV doesn’t help us, right? You, all you see is that courtroom drama, law and order or whatever, and that is a minimal amount of time compared to the rest Exactly.
Lauren McClain 09:52
Yes, we I was just joking, because this the new legal drama that’s hot, or has been for the last few years, is that. Suits show. Oh yeah, they really enjoyed watching because it is not very much like the actual practice of law, right, but very, you know, sexy and exciting parts that people think law would be like, but the actual day in day out of law really doesn’t look much like that show at all. Yeah,
Lisa Marker Robbins 10:18
I don’t think anybody had their nose in a book during i We watched it as well. That’s hilarious. Now, when you’re so you were going through school, you knew from an early age that this might be the path for you. So you get into law school when you first graduated, what type of an attorney? Or when you were in law school, what type of an attorney did you think that you wanted to be
Lauren McClain 10:40
so I always knew I wanted to do something in family law. Family law is a large umbrella, and it includes a lot of different areas of the law. Typically, when someone thinks of a family law attorney, they think of someone who does divorces and disillusions that wasn’t really my passion or something I was excited to do, but I got my first job, and it was at a law firm where they needed a divorce attorney, essentially. So I started doing that work, and quickly realized, Oh, this is not what I feel led to do with my life. I quickly realized this wasn’t something that lit me up or excited me, and so as I started to, you know, decide what I wanted to do with the rest of my career, I started getting pulled in different directions, and ended up pursuing some career paths that which had led me to where I am now. I’m doing completely different work, which is still under the Family Law umbrella, but it’s not divorces. Well,
Lisa Marker Robbins 11:44
I remember about 1314, years ago, you and I were speaking, and we were talking about somebody’s divorce, and you were still doing some of that work. And I said, Hey, I have a referral to you and for you. And you said, here’s the deal. If they are getting along and it’s a disillusion, and they’re in agreement, I am happy to help this family. If at any point it becomes contentious, I will refer them to a colleague. I’m out. And so what did you I mean, I think we can read between lines. But what were you sensing as you were practicing divorce law that was leading you down that path that you eventually said, like no more divorce or disillusions at all? What was it about your wiring where that didn’t fit well?
Lauren McClain 12:37
Every area of the law has a little bit of conflict that comes with the territory, right? Most people don’t like to be in court if they don’t have to, and so what brings people to court is often a conflict, and at the root of a case is often some sort of disagreement. I knew that going into law school, and I’m okay with conflict, but when conflict becomes emotional, difficult, angry, hurtful, petty, any of that, I really you know, that was not my strength of dealing with that. And so I just realized, you know it this just really does not fit my personality, my wiring, my disposition. I can help people. I want to help people through my legal career, but I don’t think I can get invested into these high conflict divorces and and situations like that. So really, I have stepped away completely from all litigation. I now do a completely different area of the law, which I’m sure we’ll get into later, but I do no litigation. So I’m, I still am at the point where if a if a client comes to me and the case is litigious, I say, I I’m sorry, I cannot take your case. I will refer you to someone else. Or they come to me and they say, right now, it’s not litigious, but it could get litigious, I say, I will be happy to work with you, and less it gets litigious, and then at that point, I will refer you to someone who handles litigation. And there are certainly fantastic litigation attorneys out there. I just know myself, and I’m not one of those.
Lisa Marker Robbins 14:18
Well, I love, you know, I love the self awareness that you have, and that’s what, you know, I try to do in my work, is help students, teens, young adults, build their self awareness and then connect it to career awareness so they can find that overlap. Because I remember there was a study, it was of the like they took 75 like, high performing CEOs, and they looked at what trait did was the number one trait that they all had, and it was self awareness. It wasn’t leadership, it wasn’t where they went to college, it wasn’t their IQ, it was self awareness. And. I’ve just found that to be key for everybody, if you want to be satisfied and happy in your life,
Lauren McClain 15:05
absolutely. That’s fascinating.
Lisa Marker Robbins 15:07
So what I love about your story is, I didn’t even know the part right now. I mean, I we’re gonna now next, talk in a second about what you’re doing now, but I didn’t realize that even now, you have drawn this line to say if it’s going to land me in a courtroom having to litigate something, and there’s going to be that conflict involved, I’m out. I have a strong network. I can totally refer you to somebody who will take care of you. So what I want our listeners to hear, whether it’s a parent or a teen or young adult or somebody who works in the schools that’s listening is the fact that we have pathways. You can make decisions. You could be an attorney. You You have a big heart for people and helping, and you have been able to create an overlap of helping people in law and avoiding the things that you want to avoid. So let’s talk about your practice. Now you’re out on your own now,
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yes,
Lisa Marker Robbins 16:09
tell your practice. Okay, so
Lauren McClain 16:12
I am a solo practitioner, meaning I work for myself and with myself, and I focus my practice exclusively on adoption third party reproduction, meaning surrogacy and guardian ad litem work, meaning I represent the best interest of children when children are involved in custody or post divorce related cases. So the the majority of my practice is divided between adoption and third party reproduction. For adoption, I do all forms of adoption. So people will often ask, well, what does that mean? What do you do? So I do domestic adoption, international adoption, step parent, family member, Children’s Services, adoptions and everything in between and surrogacy, what I do is I have kind of a niche practice in that market, which is that I help review gestational carrier agreements with surrogates. They’re called gestation carriers in the legal world, but most people know them as surrogates, and when a surrogate enters into a surrogacy relationship with intended parents, they have to sign a big contract that spells out all the details of the surrogacy relationship, and they need an attorney to help review the contracts with them and make sure they understand their rights and modify the contracts as needed. So the majority of my practice is split between those two areas, but I also kind of on the side, have a little side hustle, just because it brings me joy and fulfillment in my career. And it’s my guardian ad litem practice, and that is where a court appoints me or asks me to get involved in a case, and it’s often when it’s I’m back in the divorce court, but I’m doing a much different work and I used to do there. It’s often when two parties are divorcing or are already divorced and are having conflict about what to do with the custody or care of their children, and so the court will ask a lawyer to get involved and become a guardian ad litem, which means they represent the children’s best interest. So I interview all the parties involved in the matter. I meet with the children and get to know them, and get to know the situation. I talk to all the lawyers, and then I write a report to the court, and I present my findings, and I tell the court what I think would be in the child’s best interest, not necessarily what the child wants, but what is in the child’s best interest. And so that work is it can be a little heavy and it could be a little consuming, so I do that just as a small part of my career, because I really enjoy it. It’s incredibly rewarding, but it also can be very challenging as well.
Lisa Marker Robbins 19:02
Well, as you were saying that, I was thinking, Okay, I’m already in my body feeling a little bit of like that tension, of like there is conflict for sure going on in that situation. I mean, I do you know maybe for you, it’s strategic and that you only do a bit of it, so that if you were doing that all day, every day that might be too draining, I’m guessing, but you have not. It’s just interesting. You’re not litigating on behalf of someone, so you’re still able to avoid the litigation, but you are playing a role in the court system,
Lauren McClain 19:38
correct? And the nice thing is, everybody tries to be on the Guardian Ad items. Good side, ah, and you get everyone’s vest. So it’s rare for there to be conflict at when you are the guardian ad litem. The other attorneys may not like what you have to say, but there’s not a lot of conflict involved. They could, they can. Potentially call you as a witness in a contested case and cross examine you and give you a hard time about what you wrote. But that’s rare, so while it sounds a little contentious, it’s actually not. It feels like I’m problem solving. It feels like what I’m doing is I’m interjecting myself into a situation where people are having a hard time coming to an agreement about how to fix a problem, and I’m coming in with neutral eyes and seeing it with fresh eyes and saying, You know what, I think this is probably a good solution.
Lisa Marker Robbins 20:32
Okay, I I’m glad you explained that, because as soon as you started saying, like, oh, there’s this contentious divorce going on, and then I’m going to come in and and try to figure out what’s best for the kid in my body. I’m feeling like, Oh, there’s the conflict. But you’re like, No, because everybody wants to please the guardian ad litem. That totally makes sense. I’m glad you explained that to us. Okay, so really, I mean, I’m thinking about this going like, you’re a hope creator for families. Really, you’re creating families. Well,
Lauren McClain 21:04
that’s my tagline, dedicated growing family. I Okay, okay, I
Lisa Marker Robbins 21:09
probably, yeah, so I guess that means you picked a really good tagline. Yeah, should have gone over. I know I have been on your website before, but it’s been a long time. And so, yeah, so there’s the there’s the positive and upside in a in addition to the things that we’ve already hit on, like, Are there any other skills that you think like, if we’ve got someone who’s young and they’re trying to discern whether law is the path for them, what other skills might be important? Yeah,
Lauren McClain 21:39
I was thinking of that before we started talking. I think a couple things I wish I would have known going into this career is you do have to know how to work well with other people. You have to be a communicator. A lot of law is communicating with others. So day in, day out, I spend a lot of my day emailing and talking to other people. So if you’re an introvert, I’m I think there’s some really great niches of the law for introverts, but if you’re doing my kind of law where you’ve got multiple clients and multiple arenas, there’s a lot of communication skills that you need to use. I also think that those buzzwords executive functioning, you have to have good executive functioning skills to run your own law firm. Now, you may not need to to be a lawyer in a large law firm where you have a paralegal and then legal assistant who are kind of like making sure you do all the things you need to do. But I do not have that. And so I I find a lot of my work is making sure that that document that needed to be filed by today got filed, and to make sure that email that needed to be sent to that court got sent, and making sure I communicate with my clients that you know this is happening in their ladder. So it’s a lot of there’s a there’s a lot of juggling of tasks when you’re handling a lot of small legal matters. Now, again, that is particular to my area of the law. Not every lawyer does that. Some lawyers have one big case that they work on at a time, but I find that’s the exception rather than the rule. So I think having good executive functioning skills is important. One thing I will say that is a drawback to my career that has probably been one of the bigger challenges of my career, is it’s a desk job. So unless you are a lawyer, where you’re working in the court system regularly, you are mostly at a desk, and that has been a struggle for me, because I am a high energy, active person, so I had just had to find ways to let out my energy and and move my body outside of my career. But, you know, I would say that as a caution for any student who has a heart attack sitting still for, you know, long periods of time that being a lawyer does require, often, a lot of sitting or focusing being at your computer, like I said previously, reading and writing and critical thought, so that that is one thing for students to be thinking about if they’re considering a career And well, well,
Lisa Marker Robbins 24:20
well, that reminds me of a story. Years ago, I was working with someone career coaching, who was already an adult, working as an accountant, someone like you and me like kind of high energy like to be up and moving a lot. And I mean an accountant like to be like a tax law attorney, right? So, sitting, sitting, sitting, and we tried to problem solve that. And so it was like, get your workout in in the morning, because I looked at her Berkman personality assessment, and it was inherent in her wiring that, like she was high energy and needed active movement. And so. There are some needs. I like this example that you gave, and even this woman, I’ll tell you how we solved the accounting issue. But there are other ways to meet some of the needs we have that our job doesn’t have to meet every single one like it’s it’s never going to be perfect, right? So this accountant, what we did was, she was working at a rather large accounting firm, and they would have, you know, they still had, like, and probably still today, like, there’s some paper documents and they have to be destroyed. They have people’s financial information on them. And so they would put them aside in this box, and somebody would come by and take them and take them to the incinerator or whatever. And so we decided that she was going to start walking them down the flights of stairs to the incinerator herself, or whatever they were doing with them, or shredding or whatever. And then she was working out before work. And we made sure that she was getting up from her desk and leaving the building at lunch, and when she made those three changes, she was able to make it through a desk job, which you could look at that accounting desk job and go, like, Oh, she’s not wired to do that, because she has to be up and active. But like, there’s more than one way to get there, and we don’t always have to do it in our job. It doesn’t have to be part of our job.
Lauren McClain 26:20
That’s a great point. And now, with the you know, improvements in these standing desks and the treadmills on the desks, there are ways to move your body and also be in front of a computer. One thing I do is, when I’m taking a call, if I’m feeling wiggly, I’ll get up and just kind of walk circles around my office while I’m talking to a client or to the court, and that will often meet the need of kind of moving my body.
Lisa Marker Robbins 26:43
I’m at a standing desk right now, and I have a desk treadmill right under my desk. I’m not walking right now because I’d probably be noisy and I’d get in trouble with our producer. But you know, when you were speaking about communication, the other thing too is depending on your niche, like you’ve got to be able it sounds like you’re doing a lot of just phone or email communication, but you have to really be comfortable with public speaking. If you’re going to litigate or some other areas of law, that would be a consideration as well, absolutely. And I still go
Lauren McClain 27:18
to court. I just don’t go to litigious court hearings. So I am often in court for my adoption cases. So I’m I’m doing public speaking. I’m doing public speaking in front of the court and the court staff in front of my clients. Often for these adoption hearings, they’re really fun and exciting for the family, and so they will bring 20 or 30 of their family and friends. So I am talking in front of large groups of people. So you do have to be comfortable with public speaking, and sometimes it’s just in a smaller setting, but it’s often in a larger setting. So that is something to be mindful of as well. One thing that is not related to a question you asked, but something I wanted to share, is that if I could redo my career, there’s one thing I would do differently. Yeah, I think I would start my career in public service. So specifically for me, I would have loved to work at the prosecutor’s office, I think getting your feet wet when you’re young and you’re not used to having a large paycheck, so going to work for just making a paycheck period out of law school is exciting, going and getting experience in the courtroom, doing the public speaking, doing the brief preparations, meeting the staff and the judges and the magistrates, and just having that exposure is fantastic. In my earlier years, I was not a prosecutor, but I was working on the abuse, neglect and dependency docket in juvenile court, which means when a child is removed from their home by the foster care system, there, they they instantly go into a legal process where the parents either ultimately end up reunifying with their children, or they don’t, and the children become adoptable through the foster care system. In those situations, everyone is either appointed or hires an attorney, and so I was the appointed attorney to a lot of those parties, and that gave me some really fantastic experience as a brand new attorney trying to figure out how the legal system actually works, but I think if I could do it all over again, I would go work for the prosecutor’s office or the public defender’s office, or go work for some buddy where I’m in the courtroom a lot and I’m just Seeing you know how the sausage gets made. You’re learning how and getting tons of great experience. I think a lot of lawyers like me, straight out of law school think, oh, I want to go to a firm. I start making big bucks, and it’s hard not to want to go that direction. Question, especially if you’re coming off of, you know, years and years of schooling and school loans and all of that. But if you can just post, colonize that paycheck for a little bit longer and go work somewhere where you get more exposure, instead of going to a firm and working kind of in the in the in the back offices, writing briefs and never studying but in a courtroom for years and years, that was not my experience, because I worked to work for a small firm, but I know my colleagues and friends that went to work straight out of law school, from data law firms, you don’t typically see the courtroom for a long time. So that would be our best advice to young lawyers or to law current law students, is get out there and get a get a job where they’re not paying you super well, but you’re getting wonderful experience,
Lisa Marker Robbins 30:44
or you’re getting action. And we both know those large law firms like you’re going to be worked to death and at a desk and for a very long time. You know what? It makes me wonder, and you might know the answer to this, or maybe you don’t, but I teach everybody, no matter what their age is like, you’ve got to curate some experiences where you get up close and personal. So not just like, I mean, this is an informational interview, so I encourage all of my students to go do informational interviews. We give them the framework to do so do job shadows. But is there any job that you could think of where, like a high school student or a college student who’s thinking about law could get like, I don’t even care if they’re the ones shredding papers or working in the courtroom doing emptying trash cans, but just to be able to see it in action, even if they’re not you, you got had an opportunity to be a Doer right when you were being appointed as counsel. But are there other jobs that somebody younger in high school or college could do as they’re thinking about this?
Lauren McClain 31:49
I think there certainly are. I think most entities are happy to have a warm body to kind of do errands and help them with minor tasks. I know, when I was in college, I for a local I heard for a prosecutor’s office. I entered for the local public defender’s office. During law school, I worked for a couple different law firms. You know, I think some of the bigger law firms taken younger students who potentially, they can kind of mold and and eventually will come work for them. So I think there are definitely opportunities out
Lisa Marker Robbins 32:26
there. Yeah, that’s I that is something I would absolutely, you know, encourage people to, and I’m a big one for, you know, even for anybody that’s college bound, beginning with the end in mind while they’re still in high school, and to start to do some of this work to figure it out. However, if you ultimately end up going into law, you have a little bit more time to figure it out, because it truly doesn’t matter what your undergraduate degree is in, although you might want to discover, you know, like, I didn’t know the thing about well, you should probably have an engine you either are required to or it’d be very difficult to pass the Patent Bar if you didn’t have an engineering background. Well, this is more reason to do the work now to start to learn about careers and figure it out. So this has been fantastic. Any parting words of advice for our listeners?
Lauren McClain 33:20
Oh, well, this has been so fun. My parting advice would just be anyone who’s interested in a career in the law just know you can do it. It is challenging. Law school were the three years of law school were some of the hardest years of my life, but you can do it. You can get through it, and there are some really wonderful career opportunities on the other side of law school. So if there’s any anyone out there thinking I’d like to be a lawyer, but I don’t want to litigate, I don’t see myself fighting in a courtroom, just know there are jobs out there for lawyers who, like me, want to have a career that doesn’t involve litigation.
Lisa Marker Robbins 34:00
I love that. Well, thanks for putting kind of a different lens on law for us. I really appreciate it, Lauren,
Lauren McClain 34:07
my pleasure. Thanks for having me.
Lisa Marker Robbins 34:15
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