#152 Getting Student Leadership Experiences and Internships with INTERalliance Transcript

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Lisa Marker Robbins 01:02

You are you looking for ways to help your team gain real world experience that will mature them and clarify their post graduation path? I’m excited to have two special guests join us today, Keith Coney, the executive director of inter Alliance, and Tejas Munday, a 12th grade student who transformed from a participant into a competent leader. They are both within our Alliance, a unique student led nonprofit founded 17 years ago by CIOs, of major Cincinnati corporations that are household names. Their mission is to grow and diversify the IT talent pipeline by engaging high school students through school chapters, events, connecting students with professionals and facilitating paid Yes, paid it, internships, all led by students who take on C suite leadership roles in our conversation, we’ll explore How student led experiences provide high school students with invaluable career exposure and leadership opportunities. We’ll discuss how these experiences build confidence, develop professional skills and help teens gain clarity about their future careers. Additionally, these experiences help your teens stand out in the competitive college admissions process. If you believe the myth that teens can’t land paid internships, or you think your teen is too busy, this episode will inspire you. You’ll discover practical ways your teen can create their own opportunities, through school, business partnerships and by taking initiative, these steps can help them grow into a leader with a clear vision for their future. I’m Lisa Marco Robbins, and I want to welcome you to College and Career Clarity a flourish coaching production. Let’s dive right in to a great conversation.

Lisa Marker Robbins 02:58

Keith and Tejas, welcome to the show. It’s so fantastic to have you.

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Thanks so much for having us. Yeah, thank

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you. And

Lisa Marker Robbins 03:07

we should say we’re recording on a day off school. So I mean, what high school senior gives up their day off school to come on a podcast? Thank you, Tejas, very appreciated. Yeah, definitely. So Keith, let’s start with you. I You and I have professionally known each other for many years. At this point, we both just have a heart for supporting the education of teens and working with them. We love this space. And a few years ago, you made a change and went to work with a fantastic organization here in Cincinnati, Ohio, inter Alliance. And so tee up for us, just what’s at the core of inter Alliance? Yeah. Thanks

Keith Koehne 03:52

so much, Lisa for having us on. And as you said, like about a year and a half ago, I made the change from a full career in education, education administration, administration and had always had a heart for having an impact on students and young people, and this perfectly aligned with that. And just to give a little bit of backstory on what the interliance is, it was founded about 17 years ago by most of the major corporations in Greater Cincinnati and their CIOs Chief Information Officers, and they said we need to really grow and diversify our IT talent pipeline, and we need to do that by digging deep into high schools. And so we do that by a couple of ways. We have chapters in most of the schools in our region. We put on a number of events that connect young people with professionals and get them inspired about technology and careers in technology. And we’re also one of the largest facilitators of paid internships in it for high school students in probably our whole region. But the core, at the core of who we are is we are a student led organization, and so I serve as Executive Director, but my C suite is made up of high school students, so I have. Of our chief marketing and data and it and programs and operations, all of those are led by teams of students who have a C suite and a director leading those groups. And when I say we are student led, we are truly student led. So yesterday, we had a four hour meeting with our entire leadership team, and they were putting all the plans and implementation together for one of our largest events for the year. It truly is one of the best organizations I’ve ever seen or been a part of, and I’m honored to be here and share the stage with Te, just one of our student leaders.

Lisa Marker Robbins 05:34

Well, I love it because first of all, there’s a myth out there that high school students can’t get internships. And I regularly from the national stage that I have say, Oh, yes, they can. And you all are one of those primary examples that I show of that. And then they go, well, where’s an inner alliance for my city? And unfortunately, you guys aren’t in every city. So first of all, thank you. I love, I love what we are doing here. And when you just said 17 years, I’ve been referring students over to in our alliance for now. I’m going, like probably at least 15 years. So I guess I was there at the early adopter and supporter of what you guys are doing. So when I invited you on, you had talked about student led, and you said, I will not come on your podcast. Lisa, even though I like you, we’re friends. Unless I can bring on a student leader, let’s introduce our I mean, we’ve already introduced you, but Tejas, you are that student leader who Keith really feels that you exemplify what it means to be student led. And so talk to us a little bit. Are you on that C suite of that Keith just talked about? So what is your role on the C suite? Sure.

Tejas Mundhe 07:00

So I am the chief data officer, CEO on the inter Alliance Leadership Council, and I’ve been on this role for like, the past two years, and it’s been really a great learning experience. And some of the main like initiatives that I lead as a part of this is has been developing an annual report, which is kind of a summary document of all of the great things that inter alliance is doing, and like all the people that we’re impacting, so that, that way we can show different companies or the board of directors that we have, like, all of the great work that we’re doing and all the people that we’ve impacted, so that we can keep getting money and keep getting sponsorships and all this, so that We can keep this work going. And then another pretty big thing for us is developing, like and leading the registration platform for tech Olympics, which I’m sure we’ll talk a little bit more about. It’s the kind of our premiere event. When people think in our alliance, they usually think of tech Olympics first as our event in Cincinnati. And so that’s for over like 500 attendees this past year, making sure that everyone is checked in, have badges ready, and all of the kind of logistics behind that is another big thing that we’re doing. Love

Lisa Marker Robbins 08:12

it now. I know our listeners who are primarily parents of teens and people who work with teens like Keith and me. They if they’re talking, or, you know, their kid about this, or they’re like, Hey, this is a great episode we should listen to together, because sometimes we have teens, they hear that Tejas at as a 12th grader is on a C suite of a nonprofit. And that seems like, oh, well, that’s so rare. They just said that in our alliance is rare. That would be so hard to do, that’s impossible. And I say don’t turn out turn us off yet, because that is not the beginning or the genesis of your story. So can we go back in time a little bit? You’re a freshman in high school, and I don’t know the answer to I mean, you and I just met today, I trusted Keith’s judgment that he had the right guest, and I already can tell that he did. But let’s go back to when you were a freshman or a sophomore. What were the things then? Because I’m huge on curating experiences for anything that we’re thinking about. We can research jobs online. We can watch people get interviews. But until we curate experiences to get our hands dirty and get up close and personal, we really can’t a teen or even adult, can’t make an informed decision on if it’s a fit or not, right. Yeah, so you didn’t suddenly become a C suite. Talk about what you started doing early in the high school. I know you’re an aspiring computer scientist. You have you’re applying to computer science majors, right? Yes, just finished, probably big lift. So let’s go back and and how did you get started out on leadership and things? Like that, sure. So,

Tejas Mundhe 10:03

yeah, early in my I guess, as men like my freshman year, really, I joined my school’s programming Club, which is actually happens to also be a chapter of in our alliance. And that’s how I first got, like, connected to inner Alliance. But even for people who may might not be from like this area, a lot of schools will have like clubs similar to, like, an inner Alliance chapter and so on. My programming club, our main goal throughout the year is developing a showcase project that will then bring to different competitions like tech Olympics, as well as another one that we do at the University of Cincinnati. And basically that really got me involved by getting my hands dirty, like you mentioned, and actually, like learning on the job to make something that I was excited about and like that, first thing for me was this virtual Hall Pass app that our school previously just had this lanyard system that was obviously really unhygienic, and they always got lost. Teachers were always complaining about them. And so as part of our school, we were thinking, how can we make this better? And why not, as a technology club, make this online, a virtual Hall Pass app so that kids can, just like, go online and and request the hall pass get approved, and that way they don’t have to deal with any, like, physical lanyard or anything like that. And it’s really streamlined the process and made it a lot easier, and even got administration talking about how we can actually implement this, like school wide, like, over the next few years. So that was, like, a really big thing for me that I was really proud of also got me, like, first involved in technology, and that first experience for me, I love it. From there, yeah, from there, I guess I kind of opened the floodgates to joining, like, this Leadership Council on interliance and kind of helping other people, like, get that same experience. Okay,

Lisa Marker Robbins 11:58

so I want to go back for a second. So freshman year, I argue all the time. You know, if I used to own a test prep company, and I don’t anymore, but sometimes we would have freshmen parents say, oh, I want to start my kid on a CT or SAT prep. And I’m like, Whoa, no, let him be a freshman. And then when people would say to me, like, Well, what do you want freshmen doing? I’m like, learn how to navigate the increased rigor at your high school and figure out how you want to get involved. And it sounds like that. So thank you for being a test subject for me. So you did that. You just looked at, like, what are the menu of options available extracurricularly In my high school, and you look for ways to get involved. And that was really the beginning. I love that. And I also just heard in there, when did so, when did you guys do the app? Was it your freshman year of the hall pass

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app? Yeah, that was my freshman.

Lisa Marker Robbins 12:55

So what I also heard in there, and Keith, this is probably what you said, oh gosh, he’s he’s a great guest for us. So he got comfortable. He said we had to go talk to the administration. So you got comfortable as a freshman, talking to just your building principal. And so then that’s going to open give you that comfort later, to get some of those leadership skills and some of the opportunities that you’ve had. So

Keith Koehne 13:25

I was impressed. I saw that. And the first time I got to meet Tejas was at Tech Olympics of his sophomore year, and he was in charge of the script. So it’s a, you know, 500 person conference, and the script manages everything that’s happening that entire weekend. And I was brand new into this position. Didn’t know what I was looking at, didn’t know what was happening. And here was a sophomore who had to make sure that everything as it was happening, real time, was on point. Everybody was communicated with. There were not everything goes well in those kind of situations. And he handled all those things really well. And at that point, I was able to sit back and say, back and say he there’s somebody who’s got some skills in this area and has some leadership potential to keep building into So absolutely, those early experiences, freshman, sophomore year are huge.

Lisa Marker Robbins 14:14

Yeah. So in our alliance, you can get involved at any time that you’re in high school, right? Keith, I want to go to you for a second and say, you know, you were working and one of the largest school districts in the state of Ohio, and you were adult LED. You were executives led on your curriculum and learning, teaching and learning team over there at Lakota. Were you nervous going into this position, knowing that you were stepping into what would be a student led organization?

Keith Koehne 14:49

Actually, it’s one of the things that attracted me to it. I tell people all the time, I’m probably closer to working with students now than I have been in the last 15 or 20 years of my career. Which is great, and some of my frustrations, honestly are adult decision making and conversations, right? Some of my favorite times as a curriculum director in a school or as an HR director is when we would pull students in and not just do the obligatory like student voice and ask them their opinions, but really hand over problems to them and let them come up with solutions. And that was part of the appeal of this, is saying, Oh, this, and I’d seen it. I’d seen I knew about interliance as a curriculum director. I saw the internships that kids got. I knew about it, but I didn’t realize the level of reliance that we had on students, and the amount of time that we hand things over to them and say, You all figure this out, which is phenomenal. So

Lisa Marker Robbins 15:47

Tejas, what gave you the confidence? I guess. I mean, I I see adults who have what I would just say is imposter syndrome, like, Oh, everybody else has it all figured out, or because we see everybody’s highlight reel on social media, even LinkedIn right, it’s the highlight reels of what’s going right and and not everything can go right. So what gave you the confidence to step in and not just like So you went from doing a club to then helping run tech Olympics, it sounds like yeah, to then saying, oh, I want to take a leadership role. Was that scary for you?

Tejas Mundhe 16:30

Yeah, definitely. That was that first step, when I was, like, interviewing people to be on my team, that first year was, like, really scary, because I’d never done anything like that before I was like a leader, that was probably my first, like, real, like, formal, like leadership role, especially with like, a title that says you’re the C suite now in high school, was definitely, like, super intimidating. But I think like, the confidence of like Keith and and basically any like, adult involved in or supporting inter Alliance was really helpful. There’s actually a board member who used to work at GE aerospace, who had an industry experience working with data, who was actually mentoring me as well at the time, who gave me, like, a lot of confidence to kind of support me when I needed help, but also like, give me the reins and the freedom to to do what I thought was like, right, with my team, which was super important and not something that I initially had even thought about, yes,

Keith Koehne 17:31

and I think Kate just brings up an interesting point about the interliance and who we are, and that’s the board of directors, right? So they were. We were founded by this board of directors who believes in high school kids, and they are still formed by some of the largest employers in the world and the major universities in town, and some K 12 partners we’ve got, and they really want to be hands on with our students. So the access that somebody like Tejas or any of our students have to these professionals who are in, you know, advanced points in their career, and they want to give back, but then to be able to ask those difficult questions. Tejas and I are both working on sort of our data governance team right now with the the retired board member from from GE aerospace, and just the ability Tejas right for you, to ask those tough questions, like, how do I put together a system that is sustainable, that gets not only like the results that we need right now, but is data that we can rely on as an organization for years to come, that can inform our annual report and our impact report in the future. Those just aren’t experiences the kids get very often in high school, and connections and relationships with professionals. They don’t get those very often. And that’s what I’m excited for somebody like hey, just to be able to access all of those people and that whole network of people to kind of dig into,

Lisa Marker Robbins 18:53

yeah, I think, you know, just for context for our listeners who are outside of our area, the three of us being in Cincinnati, we intuitively know, you know, I knew you were talking about like GE aerospaces Here, Proctor and Gamble Kroger, who, what are some of the other big names that are part of? I mean, we’ve got Miami University and University of Cincinnati and Xavier University, but other corporate and

Keith Koehne 19:18

across the river, Northern Kentucky University. But then, you know, fifth, third bank, which is one of the largest, you know, in the in the country, great American Insurance has always been a big, big sponsor of ours. We have, you know, just dozens and dozens of there are seven of the top 200 employers in the country are headquartered here. Not just have a presence here, but headquartered here. So having that, and for our students understand that Kroger is not just a grocery store, it is a giant technology company, and it’s really a data company that happens to have food in it. But for our for our students to really understand, Oh, those are jobs if I love technology. Am interested in that all of these places are now potential employers for me, and so that’s a real big part of that too. Because the mission that we’ve got is to make sure that we inspire students and know where they can go to find those jobs. And you know, locally, we want to make sure you don’t have to go to the coast to be able to get a great IT job. And they understand that here,

Lisa Marker Robbins 20:19

I wanted to drive home like, who the employers are, because we all, if we’re on a plane, we’re impacted by GE Aviation, quite possibly, right? If, I mean, Kroger’s the largest grocery chain in the United States. They like if you’re using their app, or you’re it might not be called Kroger where you are, but likely you’ve got a grocery store owned by Kroger in your backyard, so you’re so we’re talking like big brands here. So Tasha, that goes back to like you just said. You’re talking to somebody at GSC level or a director level, like GE Aviation, how do you have confidence to navigate those conversations?

Tejas Mundhe 21:05

I think it’s really just like, like, building confidence. So obviously, I didn’t have that confidence at first, but working with other people and, like, getting the leadership roles and experience in inner Alliance has definitely, like, helped build that confidence. And then another big thing for me that built that confidence at first was my first internship experience through in our alliance was actually also at GE aerospace. And so I guess coming out of that, it wasn’t just like, a lot of the technical skills that I learned and had to apply, like on the job related to like data analysis, but there was a lot of just being able to present my work to someone that was obviously pretty high up on, like a corporate ladder, or just, I guess, basically talk to people in a meeting and organize a meeting, and all these things that I never really thought about going into technology that were really important that I could take out of that internship and use in my work, in all my other activities beyond just over that summer.

Lisa Marker Robbins 22:09

So you’ve had two high school internships, is that correct? Yeah, and then I almost would count, you know, being part of the C suite at Inter Alliance as a third ongoing, what would you say are because I hate the myth of there’s not internships available for high school students, and even if you’re not in a major metropolitan area like we are, there are opportunities. I’ve even known some that are solely online. So regardless of location, I want to myth bust this a little deeper, because they’re out there. You can go get them. But Why should students seek internships like, what are some of the things that you’ve learned from your internship?

Tejas Mundhe 22:53

I think it’s it is definitely, like, really helpful to to learn, like, outside of high school, outside of like a classroom, especially because for me, it was really helpful to kind of solidify what I wanted to do and what I wanted to do in college and even beyond that, through, like an internship. Like, before my internship, I was definitely, like, really Fauci on where I wanted to be, like in college and beyond that, but afterwards, that definitely helped solidify my interest in, like, computer science, and I guess the field of it as a whole. But I think the main thing about, like, internships and like experiential learning, I think, is what it’s called, is just being able to to learn, like while doing and kind of actually produce some kind of, some kind of work, some kind of deliverable that you can be proud of, and that can also, like, help a company in this at the same time. So I think that was a really big thing for me, like this past summer, that I was developing a data dashboard for this team at Procter and Gamble that wanted to kind of analyze, like anywhere they were inefficient in like certain times during the year, or like during certain like sprints, agile kind of time periods using like that methodology. But basically, long story short, I think the the opportunity to to kind of create something on your own and kind of learn on the fly was like a big thing for me that my internships helped with. I

Lisa Marker Robbins 24:25

love that I just heard you use words that only us in business, and business owners might use, Sprint, agile. So I love that, because you’ve learned a lot more beyond even the computer science piece of this, right? Yeah. So you know, you you have gone down this road, and you keep getting confirmation, confirmation, confirmation. I actually want to tell a quick story about one of my former students who has recently graduated from the University of Michigan, and when he was early in high school and he was a. Sophomore, I had suggested inter Alliance and the internships, and he did an internship with inter Alliance at Kroger, and he was doing that, and all of a sudden, by the end of that summer, he said to me, computers, it’s not for me, what a failure that I invested all this time, and so we had this conversation, and as I pulled out of him things about of experience and why he felt like it wasn’t a fit, he goes well, but I saw part of the team that we were working on this project with at Kroger, and I think The finance people had the most fun job on that, and I’m like that right there is why we curate experiences. So while you have had confirmation, Tejas on the road that you’re heading down, my student and I’ve had a lot of students go through inter Alliance and get the same confirmation, but I actually like this other story just as much because it wasn’t a failure that he walked away from his internship. First of all, he’s got a great resume builder there, and then he went on to curate experiences in finance, and he graduated with a degree from Michigan in finance, and now he’s going down that road. So it doesn’t always have to be a yes, which also makes me think they just is there anything that maybe didn’t go as planned, as part of the C suite, or in your internships where you’re like that did not go well, and any examples like that? Because I really want to normalize to students like it doesn’t all have to be perfect. It doesn’t all have to be turn out the way we anticipated.

Tejas Mundhe 26:40

Yeah, definitely in my internship, I can, I can say that, like, now coming out of it, like, I can, I guess, like, go through all these great things, but at the beginning, there is definitely a lot through this, like, super steep learning curve that I was really unsure about, and I was almost worried that this was just going to be, like a failure experience for me at the beginning, because when I was introduced to basically that project itself, kind of thrown off, thrown on me in my first week or two, I was very overwhelmed at the time, and there was a lot of like corporate lingo, a lot of like the acronyms that basically any like large company is going to have that I just did not understand at all. And it took a lot of just meeting with, like, people actually from the Philippines who were, like, kind of invested in this project more than, like, even my manager here was, and kind of hearing from them, and kind of getting like, the inside scoop from them, basically onto the work and what all this meant and why this was even important in the first place, that actually helped me get on the same page and actually start working on the project and understanding what I was doing. So that was a big thing for me, where at the start, I was totally lost. And like, if you asked me anything about my project, I would have, like, had no idea, but from from learning and kind of growing through that project, I was able to kind of finish off the summer with a deliverable and something that I was proud of. So

Lisa Marker Robbins 28:11

you didn’t give up. I love that you leaned into your team to learn from them. So I often say a lot of times I think students, I’ve had students say, like, well, but I don’t have the skills to do that. I’m like, that’s why we go to school, is to get the skills. And what I’ve seen is, as proficiency increases, passion also can increase in equal measure. So we become more passionate. This whole idea of like, follow your passions. I’m not a fan of that personally, because I think that passions can change a little bit. We don’t have to be passionate about everything we try on, and I’ve seen passion grow with proficiency over time. Now we’ve all said like we have this great resource in our backyard. What advice I want to hear from Keith? We’ll start with you. What advice do you have for a listener who maybe doesn’t have a resource like this in their area. They’re a parent or a student, I know, for the schools, you’re going to say, hey, let’s get something going in your community. That’s similar. But what advice? If they’re like, I don’t live anywhere near this and I don’t have a natural way to step into this,

Keith Koehne 29:16

yeah, and that’s a challenge, and there are benefits that we have to, you know, appreciate the fact that we’re here and people have done this work ahead of us, but I do think that different aspects so for a student or for a parent like this is valuable learning, right? Learning that happens outside of school, learning that happens in a experiential way or a non traditional way. It is really valuable for the student as a person and pushing them outside their boundaries and getting uncomfortable and all those kind of things. But it’s also valuable for the resume, the application, the you know, building those experiences like you talked about, that make you who you are, and you can find those wherever you are. You. I think it’s not settling for the simple summer job or outside of school thing, or carving out time and making and more and more schools are having opportunities for things like this, whether inside of the school day or outside the school day, but really valuing those things. And then I think for community members, a lot of times it’s for the businesses who are there who want to do this work but just don’t know how to. And I think more and more schools have that sort of like intermediary role and leaning into that and saying, we’d love to, we’d love to bring some students on board and see what that looks like. And there’s a pathway and a progression to it, where I just need a guest speaker in my classroom at first and volunteer to do that, expose students to careers, and then, you know, invite them to your place of business, and then open the door to whether it’s 510, 15 hours or a full time position. But having them learning those things is really the most incredible learning that they can have. So I think there are opportunities there. It takes somebody who’s got a little bit of Trailblazer, but I think there are resources there, and the the juice is worth the squeeze. Like you all the effort you have to put into it, you get 10 times that out of it. So I would encourage anybody to, and if we can help support in any way, as a reference, as a talking point, we’re happy to.

Lisa Marker Robbins 31:18

I love that. You know, I often say, you don’t just go in and ask for the internship first on a group that maybe doesn’t have one. I have found, and I think Teja says you were saying, Oh, I was talking to, you know, so and so at GE Aviation, most adults who are passionate about and love their jobs, they are more than happy to at least even have a conversation about their job. I have found that nine times out of 10, and I’m not even like making that as a data point up like that, that you get a yes if a young person asks them, Can I just talk to you about your job and and the value of even doing a job? Shadow like, be there. Like, Today’s a day off school. For most people, it’s Veterans Day. You know, ask, Can I come in and I’ll go pick up the lunch and and empty out the trash cans and bring, you know, file things, whatever, just so I can see something up and working, and those I’ve seen, little steps like that, then lead into, oh, well, maybe we could use you for 10 hours a week, or something like that. So it does take intention. It does take a support group, a community, Tejas. What would your advice be to students who find themselves, maybe not in Cincinnati, not able to do inter Alliance? It may not even be about it careers, computer science. It could be somebody who’s interested in architecture or graphic design or healthcare, what advice you’re a senior, so not only do you have this C suite experience, internship experience, you’ll be graduating this year. So if you could talk to freshmen, sophomore and juniors, what wisdom do you have for them as we wrap up?

Tejas Mundhe 32:59

Sure I would, I would definitely say as early on as possible, in like your high school experience, to just get involved and just kind of cast your net, really, in, like the clubs opportunities, like inside and outside of your school. So obviously it doesn’t have to be like programming club or robotics like it was for me, but it could be like like, a business club. Like, for example, I even my sister started a Future Business Leaders of America chapter at my school, just because we didn’t have a business club. And so that was, like a big thing for her, because that’s something that she really, she’s really passionate about. And so it doesn’t have to be, obviously, technology, but starting organizations and joining organizations throughout your school community. I think is a really great thing that, as you get like, later in your high school career, hopefully you can, like, start getting more leadership experience if you join early. And then another thing I would say is, even if you don’t have like an organization, like in our alliance, it doesn’t mean you can’t, like, seek out, like internship experiences and, like, reach out to even cold email, like, different companies and professionals that you might have met or are connected to. And I think that that’s something that, like a lot of people overlook, and it’s pretty easy to overlook, but it could be really powerful. And it just takes, I think, like, one response, yes, to get, like, a great experience out of so that’s like another, another huge thing that I would say is, like, pretty often overlooked, yep,

Lisa Marker Robbins 34:29

put yourself out there. I ask a lot of people to be on the podcast, and some of them who are more famous or notable, you know, New York Times bestseller. A lot of them will say no, but then I’ve had multiple people say yes, and it just takes one Yes, right? So well, this is inspirational, and I’m going to say aspirational, for not only our teens, but our school districts, our employers who might be listening to this. Us to just figure out how we can build into the youth to create waves to have a better future. So Keith Tejas, thank you so much for joining me.

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Thank you. Yeah, thank you.

Lisa Marker Robbins 35:17

I hope this conversation with Keith and Tejas has inspired you to see the incredible value in student led experiences and internships for high school students, these opportunities not only help your team gain real world experience, but also mature and clarify their post graduation path, as Tejas shared, taking initiative and confidently communicating with adults can open doors to amazing opportunities to help your team get started. I invite you to download my free guide tips for sending student emails that get a reply. It’s available at flourish coaching co.com, forward, slash email. This resource will give your team the confidence to reach out to professionals just like Tay just did, and create their own unique opportunities. We’ll also include the link in the show notes for easy access. If you found this episode helpful, please share it with someone who might benefit. Sharing, following the podcast, rating and reviewing helps us support more families navigating the college admissions process. Thank you for listening to College and Career Clarity podcast where I help your family move from overwhelmed and confused to clear confident about your teen’s future. You.